so this period has given the u.s. and other key powers a chance to make contact, clandestinely, get to know people, sometimes overtly as in hillary clinton's meeting with gentleman ja brill, head of the interim committee during her last trip. so getting to know them and then the idea is, create structures that allow them gradually to build something like a normal government, which libya has not had arguably ever, and so, again, that is going to take time and they want time. >> david, i had one, your intelligence sources are far better than mine but i had one tell me there is no question this guy still has mustard gas despite what he says. >> he has scary weapons and scary people and this is a regime that knows how to use terrorism, you can't forget, they were specifically blamed for the lockerbie bombing and they have used terrorists in many ways and they have people and resources and that is in the backs of the minds of all of the people in the white house, and the cia. >> the president has drawn one very bright line